We didn't want it to be like two people that just got together.

We wanted it to be like its own concept, I think.

Well, if I think about it at that time, and you can relate to this because you do a thing

that, no, no, that is like that you're serious and passionate about.

Yeah.

And probably you could relate, like, in the evolution of that, there's this real instinctual pressure that we put on ourselves to be, like, legitimized or, like, bona fide or, you know, whatever.

And the funniest thing is that when I look back 15 years, when he and I started doing the thing, immediately, we access to the thing that fills us up and that we do.

And we spent so much time trying to make it more successful, trying to make it more legitimate,

try to make it look like this way.

And like the thing that it actually is never really changed or evolved.

It was always that.

And we've kind of taken this decades-long sort of distracted tour around the world trying

to get back to this thing where like the entire satisfaction, the entire thing that fills

us up is just doing it together.

Yo, welcome to another episode of In A Minute with Evan Lovett coming to you live from

the IM studios in the heart of Los Angeles.

And we're here for the ears of Los Angeles as we have the multi-grammy nominated Milk Carton Kids who just came out with

approximately their seventh album, depending on how you count, EPs, LPs, everything in between.

It's called Lost Cause Lover Fool. And we're here not just to promote that, but to talk about

the history of these two gentlemen,

Kenneth Pattongale and Joey Ryan, both Los Angeles natives, who come from, if you will,

the west side and the east side. And we are going to talk about meeting in the middle to create

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