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I'm Amanda Knox and you're listening to Hard Knox.

The Amanda Knox, and you're listening to Hard Knox. Today on Hard Knocks, I interview Helen Lewis, who is a journalist, broadcaster, and author of The Genius Myth, the dangerous all Allure of Rebels, Monsters and Rule Breakers.

Her new book about why we worship geniuses, or so-called geniuses, and how that myth blinds us to the damage they often cause.

She shows how brilliance is rarely a solo act, how it can come at a steep human cost, and why we need

more honest stories about creativity and achievement. This is a really fun conversation.

For all my Taylor Swifties out there, we have a discussion about Taylor Swift quite a bit.

We talk about how we can have honest, but how we can like shift the myth from the

lone genius to a person who cultivates a team of excellence around them, how we can, how the, how this idea of, and this destructive idea of a lone genius who then, you know, burns his legacy of people around him, how that is reflected also when we are experiencing the lows of our life and, and become hyper fixated and narcissistic in our own hurt kind of way and how destructive

that is. So a lot of really interesting parallels and conversations about making sense of the world

and how we define success. So enjoy.

I really loved the piece you did for us at the Atlantic about the guy who was convicted that you campaign for and then changing your mind on him.

I thought that was really brave and beautifully done.

So I was very delighted to get this invitation. Oh, wonderful. Well, I'm so glad that you, that you, that you, that you read that because that was a big,

I mean, that was a huge growing moment for me as a person. And I felt like we need growing moments

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