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The Experiment

How the Evangelical World Turned on Itself

The Experiment

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4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 20 May 2021

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Lecrae Moore came up in a Christian culture deeply entwined with politics: Evangelicals were Republicans, and Republicans were evangelicals. As a Black college student, he found a sense of belonging in Bible study. His mentors and community were predominantly white and very conservative, but that didn’t really bother him. He found success as an artist and built a career in the white evangelical world.

Over time, though, he began to notice how much politics influenced his church culture. He was inspired by Barack Obama’s election, but felt unable to share that with his evangelical audiences. He was disturbed by the killing of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, but faced backlash on social media for saying so. He started writing lyrics about race and the hypocrisy he saw among Christians, who he felt paid lip service to diversity but didn’t form substantive relationships with other communities. When he saw how strongly the evangelical world was going to champion Donald Trump, he decided to speak out. He lost money and fans, friends and mentors. And he almost lost his faith.

White evangelicals have arguably never been more powerful as a political force in America than they are now, but political victory has a human cost. People of all kinds of backgrounds have felt gutted by Christian support for Trump. Among Christians, the Trump era’s legacy might be fracture, not unity.

This week on The Experiment: the story of an evangelical artist who found his voice and lost his church.

Further reading: The Unofficial Racism Consultants to the White Evangelical World, How Trump Lost an Evangelical Stalwart, The Tiny Blond Bible Teacher Taking On the Evangelical Political Machine

Be part of The Experiment. Use the hashtag #TheExperimentPodcast, or write to us at [email protected].

This episode was produced by Katherine Wells and Alvin Melathe, with reporting by Emma Green. Editing by Julia Longoria, and Emily Botein. Fact-check by William Brennan. Sound design by David Herman. Transcription by Caleb Codding.

Music by Ob (“Mog” and “Wold”), water feature (“richard iii (duke of gloucester)”), Keyboard (“My Atelier”), Laundry (“Lawn Feeling”), Norvis Junior (“Overworld 7636” and (“Grim Reapers Groove 94”), and Nelson Bandela (“311 Howard Ave 25 5740” and “Auddi Sun 09 Lop Lop 722”), provided by Tasty Morsels and Nelson Nance. Additional music performed by Lecrae, courtesy of Reach Records, arranged by The Orchard (“Dirty Water” and “Take Me as I Am”). Additional audio from Real Life With Jack Hibbs, Matthew Phan, C-SPAN, ABC News, and Roland S. Martin.

Transcript

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0:00.0

I'm Julia Lungoria, this is the experiment.

0:08.1

This week's episode is part two of a two-part series.

0:12.0

So if you haven't listened to part one, stop right there, go back to last week's episode

0:17.6

and listen to that first.

0:19.8

It's the story of how one man, political operative Ralph Reed, built the evangelical voting

0:25.7

block over decades and how he helped Donald Trump get elected.

0:31.4

Now for part two, Atlantic staff writer Emma Green is going to take it from here.

0:42.1

The day after Joe Biden was inaugurated, thousands of people gathered for an event at Calvary

0:46.7

Chapel and evangelical mega-church in Southern California.

0:50.5

It's a good group, Jack.

0:52.1

Jeez.

0:53.1

It's amazing what happens when you keep your church open, right?

0:58.2

The pastor at Calvary had invited the conservative provocateur Charlie Kirk to speak to the congregation

1:04.4

after Trump left office.

1:06.0

It was hard to watch yesterday.

1:08.4

It was.

1:09.4

This congregation is exactly the kind that the political operative Ralph Reed dreamed

1:14.8

of all those years ago.

1:16.5

A powerful church community that took its role in politics seriously.

1:20.0

This church did their part.

1:21.8

This church registered voters.

1:25.8

This church mobilized.

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