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Anyone who is depriving you of freedom isn't deserving of a people approach. Hello and welcome to Angry Planet, I'm Jason Fields.

When Islamic State's capital R, fell in late 2017, America wasn't really paying close attention.

We had nearly a year of turmoil here at home, and in many ways, Islamic State was old news. And if we weren't paying that much

attention to the fight, we paid even less attention to the fighters. So today we'll make up for it and

we'll tell the story of the Kurdish men and women who led the Syrian Democratic forces.

To take us through it, we have Gail Semic Lemon, who just published Daughters of Kobani, which tells the story of the Kurdish

fight against Islamic State. Lemon is a journalist and best-selling author who last

appeared on the show to talk about her book Ashley's War. We'll link to that show in the newsletter.

Thank you so much for joining us.

Glad to be here. I hope you don't mind if we start with the real basics, but who exactly are the Kurds and especially in relation to Abdullah Ochelon?

He just seems like such an important figure from the book, so.

Absolutely, but I'm delighted to be here. such an important figure from the book. So, absolutely.

I'm delighted to be here.

So the Kurds are the largest stateless population,

the largest ethnic group with no state.

And they are stateless in the sense that there are Kurds spread among

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