How the “Dangerous Gimmick” of the Two-State Solution Ended in Disaster
The New Yorker Radio Hour
WNYC Studios and The New Yorker
4.2 • 6.2K Ratings
🗓️ 12 September 2025
⏱️ 38 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | This is the New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker. |
| 0:09.6 | This is the New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick. For so long, our hopes for peace in the Middle |
| 0:16.7 | East lay with a two-state solution, Israel and a Palestinian state recognizing one another's |
| 0:23.0 | right to exist with some kind of security guarantees in place. But nearly two years after the |
| 0:29.0 | October 7th attack, the two-state solution now seems like mere rhetoric, an illusion. The brutality of |
| 0:37.3 | that attack struck grief and horror into nearly every |
| 0:39.8 | Israeli, and it emboldened the most hard-line elements in the Israeli government. In Gaza, |
| 0:46.4 | tens of thousands of Palestinians have been killed. Nearly every building there has been either |
| 0:51.8 | destroyed or damaged, and last week, Israel ordered the |
| 0:56.0 | evacuation of all of Gaza City. Where those Palestinians will go and live is unclear. Israel faces |
| 1:04.1 | accusations of war crimes and even genocide. And in the West Bank, Israel seems poised to annex |
| 1:10.1 | the territory entirely. |
| 1:12.7 | And it goes on and on. |
| 1:15.3 | The killing, the destruction, the displacement, the hostages, and so much more. |
| 1:22.7 | Looking back now, we have to wonder, was there ever a real chance for peace? |
| 1:27.4 | That's the subject of |
| 1:28.7 | tomorrow is yesterday. To my mind, an essential book, a book difficult to read, but full of hard |
| 1:35.9 | truths and no phony optimism. The authors are veterans of Middle East diplomacy. Hussein |
| 1:42.2 | Aga was a negotiator for the Palestinians, and he helped draft |
| 1:45.9 | a key document called a framework for a Palestinian national security doctrine. Robert Malley |
| 1:51.7 | was in the U.S. State Department, and he helped organize the Camp David Summit in 2000. Later, he was |
| 1:57.9 | the U.S. chief negotiator for the Iran nuclear deal under President Obama. |
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