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On Point with Meghna Chakrabarti

How the civil service system changed American government

On Point with Meghna Chakrabarti

WBUR

Talk Show, News, Npr, Daily, On Point

4.33.9K Ratings

🗓️ 14 January 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

The Pendleton Act of 1883 established a non-partisan civil service. President-elect Donald Trump says he’ll upend the law, firing non-partisan employees and replacing them with loyalists. We'll look at how the U.S. came to have a civil service in the first place.

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0:00.0

This is on point. I'm Magna Chakrabardi. In less than a week, Donald Trump will assume the presidency of the United States for a second time. On the campaign trail, he promised to enact the most sweeping changes ever to the Federal Civil Service. He plans to fire tens of thousands of government workers. He repeatedly insulted them in a tone typical of his campaign.

0:24.7

They're crooked people.

0:26.2

They're dishonest people.

0:27.3

They're going to be held accountable.

0:29.1

Trump's intention, shared by his close advisors,

0:31.9

is to replace nonpartisan federal workers with people who profess loyalty only to him.

0:37.9

I will immediately reissue my 2020 executive order restoring the president's authority to

0:44.4

remove rogue bureaucrats, and I will wield that power very aggressively.

0:49.8

And Trump has already moved to cement this massive change.

0:54.3

He picked Vivek Ramoswamy to co-lead Trump's so-called Department of Government Efficiency,

0:59.8

which seeks to reduce the size of the federal budget and, as the name implies, make the government more efficient.

1:07.3

Ramaswami, now an unelected bureaucrat himself, says this about federal workers.

1:13.0

Fires 75% of the federal bureaucrats in Washington, D.C., and send them home packing because they never should have had that job in the first place.

1:23.7

Then there's Cash Patel, whom Trump has nominated to be the next director of the FBI.

1:28.6

I am going to go on a government gangster's Manhattan, Washington, D.C. for our great president.

1:33.7

Who's coming with me?

1:36.5

And Russell Vote. He's a prominent contributor to Project 2025, the document that details

1:42.4

sweeping changes to the entire federal system intended to

1:45.8

remake it in a Trumpian image. Vote directed the Office of Management and Budget in the

1:51.0

first Trump administration, and he's slated to return to that role. We want the bureaucrats

1:55.9

to be traumatically affected. We want, when they woke up in the morning, we want them to

2:00.8

not want to go to work.

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