back in 73 saying this issue is about a woman and a question mark.

It's about a woman and a question mark. And then they started defining the question mark. It's choice, a woman plus choice, or it's complicated or vitality autonomy, whatever it may be. And then on the pro-life side, we said, no, no, no, it's about the baby. We have to save the baby. Right? And we kind of saw that we've got to save the baby. And then the pro-choice side started attacking us and saying, you don't care about women.

You just care about saving babies.

And then we said, no, no, no, no. We care about women and babies. So on our side, it's woman plus baby. On their side, it's woman plus question mark. Now, if you put a line through the middle of that, it's a woman's issue and we're arguing about whether the baby is a question mark or not.

But there's a problem with that paradigm.

It goes all the way back to what I said to my It's a woman's issue and we're arguing about whether the baby is a question mark or not. But there's a problem with that paradigm.

It goes all the way back to what I said to my girlfriend, fiancee, now wife all those years ago.

Who's not in that narrative?

The guy.

All right, well, welcome to culture and Christianity.

Our goal is to understand how to take our faith outside the walls of the church

and actually live it out in the spheres of influence that God has given us.

I think that's an assignment.

I don't think that makes us in any way special Christ followers.

I think that's the nature of the relationship we have. And we hope this podcast is helping to encourage you to do that and to contribute to that. I'm excited about our guest today. Roland Warren is with us. Welcome to Tennessee, sir. Yes, yes. Thank you very much. I'm glad to be here and glad you have me on the show. I always start with a little bio they give me, so I don't mess it up. You're the president and CEO of CareNet. Yes. But part of why you're here is you have a new book, which I can show you. It's called the alternative to abortion. I really like this title, why we must be pro-abundant life. So I'm assuming they can get this wherever they find books. Well, it's on Amazon. Yeah.

Where else?

Yeah, Amazon.

I'm old enough member get this wherever they find books. Well, it's on

Amazon. Yeah. Where else? I'm old enough to remember bookstores. I do. Those seem irrelevant today.

That's right. I actually remember borders. Yeah. Tell you how old I am. So yeah.

Well, you put the gray in your hair just to make yourself more relatable to the rest of us. I appreciate

that. Let's start with the title, the pro Abundant Life. There's so many options to bringing

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