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My name is Todd Pruitt.

I'm the pastor of Covenant Presbyterian Church in Harrisonburg, Virginia.

And I'm joined as always by my two friends, Amy Bird, who is the author of Housewife Theologian, and Carl Truman, who's professor of church history at Westminster Seminary and the pastor of Cornerstone Presbyterian Church in Ambler, Pennsylvania.

You almost forgot that.

I did. I did. It's good to see the two of you. Yeah. It's a big responsibility introducing you to, too.

Especially Carl, with so many titles and jobs that he does.

In chairs.

The chairs and, you know, he writes books and he travels the world and that sort of thing.

When the queen puts me on the New Year's honors list, there'll be even more to remember.

Exactly. Exactly.

First of all, Carl, actually, before we introduce our guest, I did have a question for you.

Who's the greater band, the Who, or the Rolling Stones?

Got to say the who, I think.

On balance, it has to be the Who. The Rolling Stones were great in their day, but I think they somewhat degenerated over the last 30, 30 odd years. Maybe exile on Main Street might be the last album. I'd be prepared to acknowledge as having any merit whatsoever.

Whereas the Who, I think the great thing about the Who is that by and large, they stop

being creative and just recycle the classics after a while.

They did produce Endless Wire a few years ago.

I saw them, what was left of them on the tour that time.

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