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This is Words Matter with Norm Ornstein.

We've got the boats and screwed the rest of you.

And Dr. Cavita Patel.

These might be some of the smaller moments, you know, with all of bombshells. Did he catch people's eyes?

Hello and welcome to Words Matter from the DSRnetwork.

Each week, Norm Ornstein and I will talk about the issues facing our country as we head into another election cycle.

And what our leaders are saying and doing about them, or for that matter, not doing about them, which is in line norm, I think, for today's episode.

When we were trying to brainstorm about today's episode, Norm, you, I was struggling because it feels like we could talk about anything for days.

And yet, I didn't feel like the Walter Nata indictment rose to that level of let me spend 30 minutes talking about it.

But you brought up a series of good points with the idea of what to do.

And I didn't feel like the Walter Nata indictment rose to that level of let me spend 30 minutes talking about it.

But you brought up a series of good points, which actually gave me a throwback, so to speak, to a couple of articles written by Carol Lienig and colleagues.

And I'm just going to pull up and then let you react on the other side, because I do think that they were pretty, I think that Carol, and she's won a Pulitzer for previous coverage around secret service, kind of cover ups, etc.

But I pulled up a March 2023 article because it shows kind of how levels of levels of inaction, knowing kind of inaction, which to me constitutes a willingness to let crimes be committed inside of the FBI, instead of the DOJ, and how they had video evidence proof of Walter Nata hiding files, etc.

And that they resisted Carol's article in March of 2023 in the post describes, I think, beautifully, and I'll read the words, months of disputes between the Justice Department prosecutors and FBI agents over how best to recover classified documents from Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago Club and residents led to a tense showdown near the end of July of last year with four people corroborating the story.

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