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Join us on the press box. Hi, I'm Tara Paul Mary. I'm Puck the senior political correspondent and this is

somebody's got a win. On this show I have the editor-in-chief of

Variety, Rameen-Setuta. You wrote a book called Apprentice in Wonderland,

and it basically argues that Trump would have never been elected

if not for that reality show that aired for almost 15 years.

Trump came off as successful, decisive.

He was seen as a mogul with a helicopter,

a gilded apartment, a beautiful wife, golf courses. He went on and on about his success, when actually when the show was filmed he had just come off his sixth bankruptcy, and he was sort of looking like a cartoon character in the tabloids.

So clearly the show first introduced the

rest of America, middle America to Donald Trump and cemented the view that he is

very successful and capable of running a business even if it was just reality TV and not the actual truth.

Romine has a ton of great reporting. He had unprecedented access to Trump,

mainly because Trump looks at the apprentice as possibly a part of his legacy that he's more

proud of than the presidency. He had six different interviews with Donald Trump

including after January 6th so he was really with him when he was in exile, and their conversations are incredible.

Definitely worth reading the book and we'll go into a lot of them on this show.

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