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welcome to Susie Larson Live, always so honored to get to spend this time with you.

In fact, I look forward to bringing you conversations every single day that hopefully inspire you

in your faith walk, the deep in your understanding of God's word, and it heightens your

awareness of his very real presence in your life. Well, we've been talking lately about pain avoidance,

about the lengths we go not to feel pain, not to endure loss or heartache. And you sure understand

why. I mean, who wants that? But you think about the kind of energy that we put into avoiding pain and how it actually, putting all that energy into conflict avoidance, pain avoidance, trying not to get hurt, really does diminish our sense of faith, hope, love, expectancy.

What if instead of building fortresses around our lives, we learn to trust God to guard and guide us to provide for us, to show us his nearness in every twist and turn of life?

No one wants to suffer, but isn't that what points most of us to talk about our growth and maturity?

Like when you look over your shoulder, isn't that the thing,

those suffering places that you go, that's really where I became the person. God intended me to be. That's where I met God. That's where I understood on a deeper level what God's word

meant, what the enemy intended for evil and how God turned it for good. In fact, I'd love to ask

you the question. What's one thing you've walked through

that you'd say, I wouldn't want to go through it again, but I wouldn't trade it now in hindsight

because of how God used it. What's one thing you've walked through? My husband says it about cancer

is from 20 years ago. I wouldn't want to go through it again. I wouldn't wish it on my enemy, but I wouldn't trade it for what it taught me. What about you? Text me 877-933-24-84. Our good friend Dr. Kurt Thompson joins me today. I'm always so honored when we get time with him because he's so insightful. He's got a great new book. Oh, I love it, called The Deepest Place, Suffering and the Formation of Hope. We've got a handful of copies to give away today.

You can text the word book to get in on the drawing.

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