How Sudan’s collapse exposes America’s fading global power
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🗓️ 21 August 2025
⏱️ 22 minutes
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Summary
When Sudan’s civil war broke out in 2023, two military factions violently dismantled the country’s infrastructure, causing devastation for civilians. Now millions face famine, sexual violence, and mass displacement as international aid has dwindled after U.S. funding cuts. Atlantic staff writer Anne Applebaum and photojournalist Lynsey Addario traveled to Sudan to report on the crisis. Applebaum sat down with Apple News In Conversation host Shumita Basu to talk about what she saw on the ground, and what Sudan’s war reveals about the collapse of the liberal world order.
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| 0:00.0 | This is in conversation from Apple News. |
| 0:06.6 | I'm Shemitabasu. |
| 0:08.1 | Today, what Sudan's war reveals about America's fading global power. |
| 0:17.2 | Sudan is in crisis. |
| 0:23.4 | In April of 2023, a power struggle between two military factions plunged the country into civil war, |
| 0:29.7 | collapsing much of its infrastructure. |
| 0:32.1 | According to the UN, nearly half of the 40 million people living in Sudan face extreme hunger. |
| 0:38.1 | Reports of mass sexual violence continue to emerge, |
| 0:41.6 | and over 12 million people have been displaced, |
| 0:44.6 | more than in Gaza and Ukraine combined. |
| 0:48.0 | And yet, compared with other devastating conflicts, |
| 0:51.0 | Sudan is getting relatively little international attention. |
| 0:54.0 | We imagine that when there's a crisis, when there's suddenly... conflicts, Sudan is getting relatively little international attention. |
| 0:59.5 | We imagine that when there's a crisis, when there's suddenly thousands of people are homeless from one day to the next, that somebody will come and aid them. And I realize nobody was coming |
| 1:03.6 | there. That's Anne Applebaum, staff writer at the Atlantic and author of Autocracy, Inc. |
| 1:10.3 | Earlier this year, she and Pulitzer Prize-winning |
| 1:12.5 | photographer Lindsay Adario traveled to Sudan to report on the conflict from the ground. |
| 1:18.1 | Anne told me from what she observed, she believes that this conflict and the lack of response to it |
| 1:23.3 | speaks to the collapse of the liberal world order. The system of international cooperation established after World War II |
| 1:30.4 | with the United States at its center |
| 1:32.2 | that's worked to uphold free trade, democracy, and peace. |
| 1:36.6 | There's nobody who's stepping in to mediate, |
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