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The Kevin Sheehan Show is Kevin.

I'm here. Tommy is here.

Let me begin by just suggesting that if you haven't listened to yesterday's podcast with Jay Gruden. It's definitely worth to listen.

Jay's really a good guest.

He's excellent.

And he's got really good insight, but he's also a very good communicator.

He had a lot to say about Duran Payne and John Allen, which is a conversation we've had for a while.

And a lot to say about the upcoming season, Sam Hal, et cetera.

Actually, I think the most interesting part, Tommy, of the conversation, because I played some of it back on radio this morning as well, is just talking about the NFL in this day and age on whether or not you can win a

Super Bowl with just a great defense and a less than average quarterback in offense.

And he believes you can. Now, he started to point back to Trent Dilfer and the Ravens and his brother's

buccaneers team, but his brother's buccaneers team had Brad Johnson, a quarterback, you know.

Yeah, and let's point out, that's almost a generation. That's a generation ago.

100% right. And I pointed that out to him. I'm like, that's a long time ago, but he said he's still

convinced a dominant

defense. And the reason for bringing it up is there is a chance that Washington's defense

could be a dominant defense this upcoming season. And, you know, it was top 10 last year. What if

it took another jump and it became kind of a top fiveish defense? Look,

the Jets defense last year was off the charts. And they had a shitty quarterback situation.

And after starting seven and four basically lost the rest of their games. And that's why they

went out and dealt for, you know, Aaron Rogers.

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