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How Strong (or Not) Is New York’s Case Against Trump?

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 12 April 2023

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

In the week since Donald Trump was arraigned on 34 felony charges, debate about the strength of the case against him has only intensified. Charlie Savage, a Washington correspondent at The Times, has closely studied the case and explains which side he stands on. Guest: Charlie Savage, a Washington correspondent for The New York Times.

Transcript

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0:00.0

From the New York Times, I'm Michael Barrow. This is a daily.

0:05.0

This case has problems from the get-go, the longer I look at it, the more problems I see.

0:18.0

In the week since Donald Trump was arraigned, on 34 felony charges.

0:23.0

I think it's strong cross-cutorial trade craft. This is a well-written indictment.

0:28.0

The debate about whether the case against him is either weak or strong, has only intensified.

0:36.0

The indictment is insufficient on its face. It was just a bunch of papers that were stapled together.

0:43.0

These facts are not that squishy to me. This seems like a straightforward business records fraud case.

0:50.0

I think this is even weaker than I feared it would be. You've got tapes, you've got records, you've got a recipe for a very strong case.

0:57.0

This is crap that a pre-law student shouldn't even put in front of a damn judge.

1:02.0

Today, my colleague, Charlie Savage, has been closely studying the case to understand which side is right.

1:21.0

It's Wednesday, April 12.

1:28.0

Charlie, when Donald Trump was indicted last week, we were very eager to finally get a look inside this case

1:36.0

that the Manhattan District Attorney, Alvin Bragg, has been building.

1:39.0

We always had a pretty good sense that he was going after Trump for falsifying business records.

1:46.0

That was kind of the base of the case, which is a set of misdemeanors.

1:51.0

We knew that Bragg would need to prove a second crime in order to make those charges turn into felonies.

1:58.0

Then the indictment comes down, and we don't get an answer to what that second crime is going to be.

2:04.0

We still don't have an answer to that. That's why it feels like there's such a lively debate playing out about whether this case is strong or whether it's weak.

2:13.0

That's where you come in because you are very smart about legal questions and prosecutions.

2:20.0

So, with all that in mind, where should we start?

2:23.0

Let's start by breaking this down.

2:26.0

As you just mentioned, normally bookkeeping fraud, falsifying business records under New York penal law is a misdemeanor.

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