Welcome to Just Between Us, the podcast with all of the answers, some of the time.

A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know. I guess you'd have to ask.

Someone that has sex.

Someone that has sex.

And remember, it's just between us.

Welcome to the History Extra podcast.

Fascinating historical conversations from BBC History Magazine and BBC History Revealed.

How did British agents bug German POWs during the Second World War?

What qualities do you need to be a successful spy?

And how are deepfakes changing the face of modern warfare?

These are just some of the questions considered in spies, lies and deception,

a new Imperial War Museums exhibition on the modern history of espionage.

Here, in conversation with Spencer Mizzin, curator Amanda Mason reveals how the IWM went about

telling the 100-year story of intrigue, deceit and real-life special agents.

So Amanda, thank you for joining us today. Now, I'd like to start by

asking you, why has the IWM decided to put on an exhibition dedicated to espionage and

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