Informed Descent, the intersection of healthcare and politics,

with Dr. Jeff Barky, board-certified primary care physician,

and Dr. Mark McDonald, board-certified child, adolescent, and adult psychiatrist.

Welcome everybody to another great episode of informed dissent.

Yep, I'm flying solo again today, and I am proud to be doing so.

I do have an incredible guest that I've known now for, I don't know, about a year, and it's an interesting story how I got to know him.

But that is the Sour Sop King of the world. And I'll explain where that comes from,

and that's Ken Owen. Ken, welcome to informed dissent. Nice to be here, Jeff. I can't remember.

How did we meet? Actually, one of your assistants or other person introduced us, if you remember

correctly. Uh-huh. Yeah. And next thing I know, hadn't actually met you, you came to the farm and we met.

That's right.

Yes.

You arrived.

I'll never forget.

It was a Saturday.

Yeah.

So as I recall now, the way it went down is I was working with my girlfriend's story on putting together some supplements.

And I wanted to create a blood pressure product that had sour sop in it.

And Story looked at me like I was crazy like what is sour

soap I don't even know what that is so we were talking to some social media folks

about how to launch this and we mentioned soursop and they said you're not going to

believe this but I'm in the office of a guy that owns the largest soursop farm in the

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