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What's going on, guys? Today we have a great conversation with Chris Klein. He is the co-founder of Bitcoin

IRA. And in this conversation, we're going to go through three things. One, what are rich people doing? How do they save money on their taxes? How do they use retirement accounts? And what are all the secret strategies that you should be doing, but you might not know about. Two, we talk about Bitcoiners who allocated a Bitcoin. Now they've made some money. They're trying to think through. How do they optimize their taxes, optimize for a state planning? how do they pass their assets on to whether it's their children or other family members?

And then three, we talk about what's going on in the market and how you should be thinking about allocating your assets if inflation, deflation, or maybe if the government's economic data is wrong. And actually you've got to go look at the private market. All that and more in this conversation with Chris Klein. All right, guys, as many of you guys know,

my personal goal is to help as many people capture freedom as possible.

And the way I think about this is essentially that if you control the money, then you control your time. If you control your time, you control your life. But what a lot of Bitcoiners seem to have done similar to me is they took a very large portion of their network, sometimes over 50%. They put into Bitcoin years ago and Bitcoin appreciated significantly. And now all of a sudden people are starting to worry about, well, what's going on with taxes? How do I do estate planning? What do I do with this portfolio that has grown in significant size? And so what we're going to do today is we're going to sit down and talk to Chris Klein. Chris is at Bitcoin IRA. But what they get to see is not just what are people

doing with Bitcoin in terms of retirement and taxes and estate planning, but they also just see

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