I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekinguena show.

Stormy's back and, yeah, we're going to go in a completely different direction.

And let me put this out there right up front, right up front.

Because whenever I do an episode like this, I'm going to get comments saying,

you should have this person on to talk about this.

You should have that person on to talk about Marcus Aurelius and the meditations and stoicism.

Now, Stormy and I are going to talk about this. So how are you doing, Stormy?

Doing well. Doing well.

How about yourself? Doing well, man. So you mentioned, you mentioned Marcus Aurelius.

There was a few months ago you said, you know, we should read and discuss, you know, some of the meditations, go through some of the meditations.

And I just put it in the back of my head and I was like, okay, when the time comes, you know, when I think about it, when I remember again, when it comes back to the forefront from the back, it comes back to the front from the back, we'll do it.

But why do you, why did you talk about this?

Why did you think we should talk about this on the air?

Well, because it, I don't know how Marcus Aurelius came to a lot of his ideas, but it's basically the, I don't want to call it like Eastern mysticism.

He could have arrived at these entirely organically. I don't want to call it like Eastern mysticism, right?

He could have arrived at these entirely organically.

But it's something that would index much more to us.

Let me interrupt you real quick. So that you, I'm sorry.

Zeno of Scythium, around three, in the 300 BC, he's basically considered the founder

of Stoicism. He forms a school. Cleanthes is his student. Chrysippus is his student. So, you know,

in the, in the BC times, in the before times, you did have a school, a stoic school.

And these are the three, you know, early figures in establishing stoicism in ancient Greece.

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