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Moral Maze

How should we remember the dead and the living?

Moral Maze

BBC

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.5609 Ratings

🗓️ 10 November 2023

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

The Met police has warned of a "growing" risk of violence and disorder this Remembrance weekend. The Prime Minister has described a planned pro-Palestinian protest in London on Armistice Day as “provocative and disrespectful” to those who wish to remember the war dead “in peace and dignity”. The Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis said it was "a stain on our common humanity" that so many seem to have "lost sight of the moral distance between Hamas and Israel". Others, however, strongly refute the description of the demonstrations as “hate marches”, believing that the protesters should be allowed to campaign for a ceasefire and an end to the killing; and to show solidarity with Palestinians without undermining either the remembrance events or the humanity of Israelis.

The polarising nature of the Israel-Hamas war and its repercussions in the UK has resulted in both sides accusing the other of ‘weaponising’ remembrance. Public attitudes to commemoration have changed over the last century and notions of a country honouring the ultimate sacrifice of its soldiers can be hard to disentangle politically from conflicts of the day.

What are we really doing on Remembrance Day? While for some it is a deep expression of sorrow for the dead and a formal commitment to peace, others believe it risks celebrating past acts of killing, which translates into justifying present militarism and violence. If rising conflicts around the world suggest humanity has not learned from the mistakes of the past – what is the moral purpose of remembrance? How should we remember the dead as well as those who are living through conflict today?

Producer: Dan Tierney.

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:05.4

Oh, good evening. It is hard to recall such a fraught few days ahead of the annual remembrance weekend.

0:12.3

The Prime Minister has described the planned pro-Palestinian protests in London on Armistice Day.

0:18.3

As provocative and disrespectful, his home secretary's gone further, branding them

0:22.8

hate marches. The Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mervis has criticised the demonstrators for standing

0:28.5

alongside extremist. It is a stain on our common humanity that so many seem to have lost

0:34.8

sight of the moral distance between Hamas and Israel, he wrote in the times.

0:40.3

Who would envy the head of the Metropolitan Police in this moment, caught in that tight test of his independence?

0:46.7

Mark Rowley has said, although there is a risk of potential disruption,

0:50.7

the planned march on Armistice Day goes ahead.

0:54.1

The demonstrators, of course, strongly refute the

0:56.5

description of their protest as a hate march and say their solidarity with the Palestinians and their

1:02.3

campaign for a ceasefire neither undermines the remembrance ceremonies nor the humanity of Israelis. Indeed,

1:09.5

there are Jewish groups among their number planning to take part.

1:13.4

And no lesser figure than Winston Churchill's own grandson has said, in the name of liberty, the march should go ahead.

1:20.6

Both sides accuse the other of weaponising remembrance.

1:24.7

So what is remembrance for and what are the moral obligations around it?

1:30.0

Is it to acknowledge and honour sacrifice, to lament a patriotic moment of unity, a recommitment

1:37.3

to peace, or an elevation of militarism? In remembering, can the sheer weight of history sometimes blind us to the challenges

1:47.1

of the present? How should we remember the dead and the living our moral maze tonight?

1:53.8

And our panellists this evening, Anne McElvoy, executive editor of Politico, Carmody Gray,

1:59.7

Assistant Professor of Catholic Theology at Durham University,

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