How secure is the 2024 election?

Diane Rehm: On My Mind

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🗓️ 24 October 2024

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

Four years ago, Donald Trump spread the lie that Democrats stole the election. He filed lawsuits, led protests and spearheaded misinformation campaigns in an attempt to overturn the result.

Since then, Trump and his allies have been laying the groundwork to question this year’s contest if the numbers don’t go his way. In other words, a Stop the Steal 2.0.

“I’m nervous,” says Rick Hasen, a leading expert on election law and director of the Safeguarding Democracy Project at UCLA. “But I’m not as nervous as I was in 2020.”

Hasen says the chaos created by Trump’s Big Lie taught the country’s lawmakers and election officials valuable lessons about how to secure the vote. He joins Diane to explain why he feels this year’s election will, indeed, be free and fair.

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0:00.0	Hi it's Diane on my mind threats to undermine the vote.
0:11.1	Four years ago Donald Trump spread the lie that Democrats stole the election.
0:17.6	He filed lawsuits, led protests, and spearheaded misinformation campaigns and attempts to overturn the result.
0:28.0	Since then, Trump and his allies have been laying the groundwork to question this year's contest if the
0:36.8	numbers don't go his way. Stop the steel 2.0. It's not something I thought we'd ever have to worry about in the United States
0:46.4	but now that we do I think the system is a little more resilient.
0:50.3	Rick Hanson is a leading expert on election law.
0:55.0	He's director of the Safeguarding Democracy Project at UCLA.
1:01.0	He says the country has learned valuable lessons about election subversion since 2020.
1:10.0	He explains why he believes this year's vote will be free and fair.
1:17.0	Rick polls show that the race for president is essentially tied.
1:24.1	Does this make it likely in your view
1:28.7	that we're going to see the same kind of election mess we saw in 2020.
1:37.0	Oh, well, that's a really complicated first question.
1:40.0	First of all, the polls could be wrong.
1:42.0	It wouldn't be surprised this is the same kind of blowout that we saw for Biden last time for either Trump or for Harris this time.
1:50.0	The polls just have to be off a little bit all in the same direction for that to happen.
1:54.0	If the election is really, really close in the electoral college and it comes down to one or two states where they have to do a recount,
2:02.0	then we'll have a mess that won't look like
2:03.6	20, it'll look like 2,000 Bush versus Gore, where you have recounts and all of that mess.
2:12.2	And then there's the possibility that it appears that Trump has more
2:16.1	electoral college votes, but it's too early to call on election night. And Trump declares
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