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History Unplugged Podcast

How Scientists Learned to Stop Deuling With Each Other (Literally) and Start Cooperating

History Unplugged Podcast

History Unplugged

Society & Culture, History

4.23.7K Ratings

🗓️ 21 December 2023

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Scientists have always been rivals—for priority, prizes, and positions within science, and for fame and funding. This can be seen when Newton and Leibniz fought over who invented calculus (and the former destroyed the reputation of the latter), or Tycho Brahe losing part of his nose in a duel with his third cousin over a differing opinion on a mathematical formula, or when Thomas Edison publicly electrocuted animals to prove Nikola Tesla’s alternating current was dangerous. Yet, scientific rivals must co-operate in order for progress to be made, especially on massive projects that require international teams. But how?

Today’s guest, Lorraine Daston, author of Rivals: How Scientists Learned to Cooperate,” guides us through a few major efforts of scientific collaboration over the ages, including the creation of the map of the stars and the Cloud Atlas, both of which we still use today.

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0:00.0

Scott here with another episode of the History Employed Podcast.

0:07.0

Some of the ugliest rivalries that ever existed were between scientists.

0:11.0

When Isaac Newton and Gottfried Leibniz argued who invented calculus first,

0:15.0

Newton's supporters accused the latter plagiarism and destroyed his career.

0:18.5

Edward Cope and O' Marsh, two of the founders of Paleontology, sent spies into each other's fossil quarries,

0:24.0

and their crews even brawled with each other.

0:25.8

When Thomas Edison promoted direct current and tried to discredit Nikola Tesla's alternating current,

0:30.2

he said AC was dangerous and tried to prove it by having animals publicly

0:33.7

electrocuted. Scientists have always been rivals but in the last few centuries

0:37.4

as science has become more complicated in doing things like astronomical

0:41.0

observation or tracking global weather patterns which requires international cooperation as arisen

0:46.2

scientists have had to cooperate in order for progress to be made.

0:48.8

In today's episode I'm speaking with Lorraine Dastin, the former director of the Max Planck Institute for the History of Science,

0:54.8

an author of rivals how scientists learn to cooperate to look in changes in how knowledge is produced.

1:00.5

We'll look at major efforts of scientific collaboration over the years, including the creation of the map of the stars and the Cloud Atlas, both of which we still use today,

1:08.0

and both projects took several decades of complete.

1:11.0

We'll also see the future of how scientists can try to tackle problems that require a

1:14.4

global initiative and don't respect national borders. I hope you enjoy this discussion with

1:18.2

Lorraine Dastin. And one more thing before we get started with this episode, a quick break for word from our sponsors.

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