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Hello and welcome to your coffee house,

shop suspectator's daily politics podcast.

I'm Isabelle Harman and I'm with Katie Balls

in Manchester at the Conservative Conference Katie.

The question that everyone asks of conferences is,

how's the mood? Well, I think as you've pointed out as well,

I think initially at least the mood we were speaking on Monday morning,

but on Sunday it was just quite muted, quite quiet.

I actually haven't got that sense of pure despair

that perhaps, off to my way this time last year,

in the conference halls, but it does feel a little bit flat for sure.

And I think, you know, if you look at James cleverly speech yesterday,

the fact that the hall was about a third empty now,

lots of people were arriving on the Sunday,

so I think it's interesting to see if it's any more.

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