Welcome to Current Affairs. My name is Nathan Robinson. I am the editor-in-chief of Current Affairs

Magazine. I am joined today by Adam Glenn. He is the author of the book Brain Worms. I was so excited to say that. I was really looking forward to saying that. Brainworms.

How right-wing propaganda destroys reason, conscience, and democracy. A hell of a title. It's

available free online at brainwormsbook.com. You can read the whole thing Adam has made it available.

It is a comprehensive debunking and response to bright wing propaganda, as it indicates,

something that I have also spent a lot of time responding to. And so Adam and I have a lot of

in common to talk about today. So, Adam Glenn,

welcome to Kerr-Fitz. Thank you for having me. So I love the title Brainworms. I wish I thought of

that. You know, I have just put out a book called responding to the right, brief applies to 25

conservative arguments. An interesting thing to me is that you and I in our two

books are doing kind of similar things, but there's not actually that much overlap. There are

tons and tons of sources that you cite that I don't cite and things I cite that you don't

cite. And I think it really, as I was reading this,

I was struck by how little that you said that I had also said, which indicates to me that there's

a lot of work to do in replying to right-wing propaganda. And so the first thing I kind of wanted

to ask you is, because I thought about this a lot when I was

coming up with the idea for my book, is why bother? You talk about this in the introduction.

What is the purpose of doing these long responses to right-wing talking points?

So for me, it kind of just started out as like a form of personal therapy almost, like,

hearing these arguments over and over again, and just constantly, like, all the time,

and I basically just got really annoyed.

And that's probably around 2005 or 2006, I would guess, and I read this article by a guy

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