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Passion Struck with John R. Miles

How Real Optimism Helps You Thrive in Uncertainty | Deepika Chopra - EP 761

Passion Struck with John R. Miles

John R. Miles

Education, Self-improvement, Health & Fitness, Mental Health, Alternative Health

4.7779 Ratings

🗓️ 30 April 2026

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

What if optimism isn’t about staying positive but about facing uncertainty with courage?

In this episode of Passion Struck, I sit down with clinical psychologist and optimism expert Deepika Chopra to explore what she calls real optimism—a science-backed approach to resilience that has far less to do with positive thinking and far more to do with how we relate to possibility. Drawing from her new book The Power of Real Optimism, Deepika challenges one of the biggest myths in modern self-help: that optimism means ignoring hardship or forcing good vibes.

We explore why positivity can sometimes undermine mental health, how the brain acts as an anticipation machine shaping what we expect from the future, and why expectations often influence outcomes more than wishful thinking.

Passion Struck is the #1 alternative health and personal growth podcast dedicated to human flourishing and the science of mattering.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Coming up next on Passion Struck.

0:02.2

We've lived through right now, you have lived and gotten through all of your hardest days

0:08.5

in X amount of decades of being here on this planet.

0:13.0

And that in itself is the fabric and makeup of what, you know, how we increase and cultivate

0:19.0

more optimism to help us with our journey in navigating through

0:23.6

the other struggles that might come our way

0:25.6

or what we can expect for the hope that things will get better

0:29.6

or go well.

0:30.6

And optimism is so rooted in that idea

0:33.6

of anticipation and expectation and again, rooted in your personal historical resiliency story.

0:41.3

Welcome to Passionstruck. I'm your host John Miles. This is the show where we explore the art of human flourishing and what it truly means to live like it matters.

0:51.3

Each week I sit down with change makers, creators, scientists,

0:55.5

and everyday heroes to decode the human experience and uncover the tools that help us lead

1:00.9

with meaning, heal what hurts, and pursue the fullest expression of who we're capable of becoming.

1:07.1

Whether you're designing your future, developing as a leader, or seeking deeper alignment in your life,

1:12.2

this show is your invitation to grow with purpose and act with intention. Because the secret to a life

1:18.4

of deep purpose, connection, and impact is choosing to live like you matter.

1:35.0

Welcome back, friends, to episode 761 of Passionstruck. I'm so glad you're here.

1:41.1

Whether this is your first episode or your 200th, thank you for being part of this global community,

1:44.5

committed to living intentionally, leading with purpose, and creating a world where every person feels like they matter. And today we arrive at the final interview

1:49.7

in our monthly Purpose by Design series, where we've been exploring a simple but profound

1:54.9

truth. Purpose isn't something you stumble upon. It's something you design, through your

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