What Next - How Putin’s Chef Became Putin’s Butcher
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🗓️ 7 June 2023
⏱️ 25 minutes
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Summary
How Yevgeny Prigozhin and his Wagner Group became essential to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine—and one of Russia’s most vocal critics.
Guest: Brian Taylor, political science professor at Syracuse University, with a focus on Russian politics.
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| 0:00.0 | You can find these videos online that offer a disorienting glimpse deep inside Russia's |
| 0:11.3 | war in Ukraine. |
| 0:13.4 | They're posted by a guy named Yevgeny Pregozhin, he leads the Wagner group, the mercenary |
| 0:18.6 | force that's been so key to Russia's relentless invasion. |
| 0:26.7 | In these videos, sometimes Pregozhin seems to be connecting via a phone line, other times |
| 0:31.9 | he's looking directly at a camera, but he's always intense. |
| 0:35.9 | Brian Taylor, who's an expert in Russian politics, he's been watching as one clip after |
| 0:41.6 | another make the rounds. |
| 0:44.0 | The frequency of Pregozhin videos increased around the Russian holiday of Victory Day, which |
| 0:50.3 | is May 9th, and I think most observers think that's because he had promised Vladimir Putin |
| 0:55.6 | that he would seize the Ukrainian town of Bakmut by Victory Day. |
| 1:02.5 | At the time, Victory was far from assured for Russia in Bakmut. |
| 1:07.4 | In other words, Pregozhin and his Wagner group, they were not delivering. |
| 1:13.6 | In one video, Pregozhin is surrounded by bodies, which he points out with a flashlight. |
| 1:19.9 | He yells into the camera, pinning these deaths on higher ups, demanding more weapons. |
| 1:33.7 | This was not the first time Pregozhin spoke his mind about how unprepared he felt to defend |
| 1:37.9 | Russia, but the gruesome theatrics he deployed here, they were meant to make a bigger point. |
| 1:45.0 | He films himself wearing military camouflage gear, he's with the troops, he's clearly trying |
| 1:51.0 | to draw a sharp contrast between his presence directly on the battlefield, his engagement |
| 1:57.0 | with his soldiers, and the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, which he frequently |
| 2:03.3 | attacks as being out of touch alitas who are damaging the war effort. |
| 2:08.8 | These posts defy the usual rules of military order. |
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