Welcome back to Office Hours. I'm David Meltzer, and we are blessed with our next guest because he's one of my favorite people in the world.

It's hurtful to me when I get to see him in person. We were at a wedding in New York City, and he officiated the wedding.

And I got a few moments with him as we shared a table. Our wives are in the mutual admiration society and I think the mutual empathy

society that they have to deal with us. But John Gordon has written more impactful books.

And that's a differentiator, right? There's tons of guys that we all know. I got 58 books and

58 languages. And I was like, yeah, but who are you impacting with the 58 books in 58 languages?

John Gordon is an impactful author and an impactful speaker.

And that means a lot.

And his definition of positivity is one in which allows us to have our peak performances,

as we have some great Olympic champions here and incredible

entrepreneurs and philanthropists. John Gordon, after that very limited introduction, welcome to office

hours. Great to be with you, David. And I appreciate you saying that. Yeah, 30 books now and just

thankful that they get out there and they're read. So working on the next one this December,

and hopefully that will come out in a few months.

You know, we evolve as authors and speakers,

and part of the evolution is our desire to what we want to impact,

what the outcome we want from the people that are exposed to our content

and how we want that to move them in a divine direction

and to allow them to withstand the divine detours to have, as John will talk about divine time,

for you, the divine is an essential common denominator in all of your work.

And it later on in life has been for me.

And it means so much to me when I meet men of faith that not just preach it, but they walk it.

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