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The NPR Politics Podcast

How President Trump's Pardons Are Challenging Political Norms

The NPR Politics Podcast

NPR

Politics, Daily News, News

4.524.9K Ratings

🗓️ 3 June 2025

⏱️ 16 minutes

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Summary

The federal pardon power is one area where presidents have unchecked authority. President Trump is using that authority in ways that challenge long-standing political norms.

This episode: voting correspondent Miles Parks, justice correspondent Carrie Johnson, and senior national political correspondent Mara Liasson.

This podcast was produced by Bria Suggs and edited by Lexie Schapitl. Our executive producer is Muthoni Muturi.

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0:00.0

On the Planet Money podcast, you've seen them, those labels that say made in China or made in France.

0:04.8

But what do they really mean?

0:06.7

The reaction was, it can't possibly work like that.

0:10.0

That can't possibly be right.

0:11.6

We dig into the delightfully convoluted rules behind country of origin.

0:15.7

What makes, say, a Chinese product, Chinese, and how companies facing tariffs are getting creative.

0:21.3

From Planet Money on NPR, wherever you get your podcasts.

0:24.8

Hi, this is Doug in Haverle, Massachusetts.

0:28.5

I just finished mowing my lawn for the first time this year.

0:31.9

Now I'm sitting by my fire pit and enjoying a beer on one of the first nice days in spring.

0:39.1

This podcast was recorded at... 103 p.m. on June 3rd, 2025. Things may have changed by the time you hear this, but hopefully I'll be

0:45.8

back here enjoying another nice day by the fire. I'm jealous. I want to eat s'm mores with Doug.

0:55.2

I want to know what beer he's drinking.

0:57.1

You know, I feel like just tell us the beer also.

1:00.2

Hey there, it's the NPR Politics podcast.

1:02.7

I'm Miles Parks.

1:03.4

I cover voting.

1:04.4

I'm Carrie Johnson.

1:05.4

I cover the Justice Department.

1:07.1

And I'm Mara Liason, senior national political correspondent.

1:10.0

And today on the podcast, we are talking about presidential pardons.

1:14.2

President Trump issued 19 of them just last month, and he's using them in ways that challenged longstanding political norms.

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