It's the Brian Lairn Show on WNYC.

Welcome back, everybody.

I'm Matt Katz, a former reporter here at WNYC.

And now we're going to check in with my former colleague, long time WNYC reporter

Arun Venigapal, to talk about how all of the policies, some of which we've just been talking about,

and how all of the rhetoric coming out of the White House, so not just tariffs, but talks of

deportations and threats of annexing other countries, etc.

How that's affecting tourism here in the city.

Arun had a story last week that was headlined on Gothamist Trump Tariffs, TIFs tied to

NYC tourism drop are catastrophically affecting business.

Hey, Arun, thanks for making the time.

Hey, Matt.

Thanks for having me.

O'Roon, what are the numbers here?

How much of a hit has tourism taken?

Well, I mean, this is a moving target, Matt, but right, just recently, NYC Tourism and

Company, which is sort of the main sort of monitor

for all of this, just kind of revised its projections from New York City downward.

So prior to this new projections, they figured that about 67 million people total would come to New York City

in the coming year.

And after these revised estimates, they figured that's going to drop by about 3 million,

okay?

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