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Welcome to Recode Media with Peter Kafka.

That is me, and if this is the second episode of this show you ever listened to, because the first one was me talking to Adam Masary from Instagram last week. Welcome. We're glad to have you aboard. If you're coming back for the first time in a while because you heard that interview and you wanted to hear more, welcome back. If you've been listening all along, bless you. But doing the show for a long time. There's plenty of episodes you can go listen to at your leisure, as the British say.

They have an affected accent.

This is a very good episode.

It's an interview with Max Chaffkin, who's a writer at Bloomberg Businessweek,

who has written a great new book about Peter Thiel, who for years I thought of as kind of a Silicon Valley archetype, weird,

nerdy and outcast, and intellectual, and kind of deliberately provocative, but nothing super

unusual in that world, who over the last few years sort of morphed into a sort of villainous archetype. He became the

most prominent backer of Donald Trump during his 2016 election campaign. There was a brief period

where Teal was really influential within the Trump circle. It wasn't very long, but still

very important, access to the White House and was helping the theory

to figure out who was going to staff the federal government. He also bankrupted Gawker,

pursuing a years-long personal vendetta against that site and its owner. And Max believes that

we're going to be hearing from Peter Thiel and about Peter Thiel for a long time because he's a billionaire with big ideas, many of which I don't like, but has the money to sort of push them through.

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