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Welcome to the Gospel Coalition podcast, equipping the next generation of believers,

pastors, and church leaders to shape life and ministry around the gospel.

Today, you'll hear a panel discussion from TGC's 2021 National Conference on why church leaders

need to practice theological triage. Good afternoon and welcome to this panel titled Theological

Triage, how it can help you lead. My name is Matt Smithhurst. I serve as managing editor at the

Gospel Coalition. I'm in the process of planting River City Baptist Church in Richmond, Virginia,

and I'm honored to be joined today by some distinguished panelists to my immediate left.

We have Dr. Albert Moller, who is the president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.

Here we have Dane Ortlin. You may be aware of him for his runaway bestseller,

Gentleman. Oh wait, not Dane. He's joking. Gavin. Sorry. Gavin Ortlin also wrote a great book,

titled, titled, Finding the Right Hills to Die on. Can you hold that up? You have it with you?

So this book, as we'll get to, this book is the inspiration of sorts for this panel. This

book was released by Crossway and the Gospel Coalition one or two years ago. And then finally,

we have Afshin Zeefat, the pastor of Providence Church in Frisco, Texas. And back to you,

Gavin. You're the pastor of... First... Okay, in California. Now we're going to start with you.

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