As Americans, the things that we hold dear, like freedom and getting good deals, two things that we really debunk today is that we're not as free as we think we are. And we also are not getting a good deal.

Many of our shows this year have focused on accurately diagnosing and understanding problems.

Why don't things in the United States feel like they work the way that they should end so often?

Why does life feel so much harder than it would need to be in the wealthiest place in the history of humanity.

But this episode is about solutions.

And in another sense, it's about hope.

It's about hope that the problems that plague us aren't unsolvable,

and in fact other places have solved them with tactics that are within reach.

Today, I'm speaking with the author of

Another World Is Possible, Natasha Hakimi Zapata. I'm challenging myself not to use the word

Norway even once over the next hour because I recognize the utility of gesturing repeatedly

at the actual richest country on Earth, if we're talking about wealth per capita,

of approximately 5 million people has its limits, and I've probably exhausted them. So today we're

going to talk about how Singapore made housing affordable for essentially everybody, how Finland

created the most impressive and equitable education system the world has ever seen,

how Portugal solved drug abuse, how Estonia made the Internet a human right,

how Uruguay broke records in its transition to renewable energy,

and how New Zealand created a universal pension program.

And yes, if you read Natasha's book, you will also get to learn about

how Norway made quality child care available to everybody. But like I said, my no Norway challenge

begins. And now. Natasha, welcome to The Money with Katie Show. I am very thrilled to talk to you today about solutions.

Thanks so much for having me, Katie.

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