This is In Conversation from Apple News. I'm Shemitabasu. Today, what Florida tells us about where

Trump's immigration crackdown is heading.

The landscape of immigration in the U.S. has changed dramatically since President Trump started his second term.

In his first days in office, he signed an executive order to speed up deportations, deny protections for sanctuary cities, and boost staffing for ICE and Custom and border protection. Since then, there have been ice raids all over the country,

and detentions have surged, doubling or even tripling in some states compared with the same

period last year. And in July, Trump signed a sweeping tax and spending bill that included

billions of dollars to expand

detention centers and ICE operations. During his campaign, he promised a historic immigration

crackdown, and we truly are seeing it happen in real time. That's Jasmine Garst, senior immigration

correspondent for NPR. She's been capturing how these policies are playing out on the ground,

talking to people in communities most affected by this crackdown.

I've been covering immigration for a while,

and I've never encountered this level of utter fear.

And lately, Jasmine has been spending a lot of time in Florida.

Florida officials have said, we want to be the tip of the sphere. To me, Florida is like

this crystal ball into what is coming nationally.

In January, Florida Governor Ronda Santis was the first to deputize the state highway patrol to enforce federal immigration law.

Florida has also been quick to expand detention centers and offer direct commercial flights for people who choose to self-deport.

ICE arrests of people without criminal charges or convictions have surged in the state in recent months.

I sat down with Jasmine to talk about what she's been hearing in Latino communities across the state

and why she says that what's happening in Florida is a sign of what could unfold across the country.

We started by talking about who is being targeted for

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