What I felt like was for us, everything was finally out there. Now we could start healing. And that's the thing with secrets. You can't heal a marriage if you have secrets. And that's why we couldn't ever heal.

That's Kathy Bush reflecting on a time when they really had to look at how things were going in their marriage.

Kathy and her husband Tim are back today with us on Focus on the Family with Jim Daly.

They're going to share more about how God helped restore their marriage.

Thanks for joining us.

I'm John Fuller.

Tim and Kathy, and they're so honest about what they went through, their Christian

conversion and what that meant to them. It was refreshing to just hear honest and open dialogue

about brokenness in life. I think so often we try to sugarcoat that or we don't deal with

what is true and therefore you don't get to whole healing with the Lord. You hide portions of

it, right? People describe that as the closet that we don't let him go into, right? We put all

the bad stuff in that closet. But how refreshing this couple last time talking about the things

they experienced, the things from childhood that kind of tilted them in that direction.

We're going to continue that discussion today. Really, why? Why should this couple share

their darkest moments with you and write this book, Sex on the First Date, a story of a

broken beginning to a radically transform marriage? it's simple to help you.

If you're in that spot, if there's darkness that you're going through, hey, take it from

a broken couple, how to get back to health.

Yeah, this is a great example of how God can take pain and dysfunction and he can turn it

into something really beautiful.

And Tim and Kathy Bush have been married over 40 years.

They have three grown children, eight grandchildren. They've really recreated a legacy that they've

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