I am beyond ever being surprised again, to be honest.

It's officially October people and the surprises keep rolling in.

Just this past week we had a catastrophic hurricane hit the southeast,

escalating violence between Israel and Iran, and honestly, maybe most shocking of all,

a vice presidential debate between J. and Tim Wall that was civil?

The billion dollar question for political campaigns is, after all that's happened since last

spring, when Joe Biden was still the Democratic nominee and

Donald Trump had zero felony convictions and zero assassination attempts on him.

What do voters even care about what moves the needle with them in such a noisy election?

Now that last one may sound like a vibes question,

but the answer is all about the numbers.

So I called up two of the best posters in the game, a Republican

and Democrat, to find out what the best data available says. Joining me today is John Anzaloni, aka Anzo, who was Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and

Barack Obama's poster. You may have heard of them.

This is about changing the math of the electorate. This is about getting out young people

and African Americans, etc.

To a higher level than that we've seen

because you know that Trump's vote's gonna get out.

And Greg Strumpel, who polled for John McCain, Chris, Christie, Rick Perry, and John

Cornyn. I've been telling people that I think that the Trump campaign, not Donald Trump himself,

but the Trump campaign is doing exactly what they need to do message-wise,

which is talk about her being too liberal on the economy, on immigration, and the experience

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