One of our popular original shows called Orange

Just a New Black.

We had, I think, 10 or 11 episodes of a new season,

be leaked. Hi and welcome to Sabir reasons malicious life besides I'm Renlin. I'm Renlin. 2011 was a pivotal year for Netflix. The now hugely successful company was then in the midst of a formidable transformation,

changing from a mail-based DVD rental service to the modern streaming service that it is today.

Anyone who ran or even worked for a big company,

and Netflix was already a huge business back then,

can appreciate how difficult it is to rewrite an organization's DNA.

But Netflix Challenge was even more arduous because back in the early 2010s cloud technology was really just picking up steam and there were

still many open questions looking for answers, like how to do cloud security right.

It was at this crucial junction in the company's history

that Jason Chan, our guest in this episode,

was hired by Netflix to lay the foundations for its cloud security protocols.

Nate Nelson, our senior producer, spoke with Jason about the decade he spent at the company,

what he learned during his tenure there, and the ideas that took shape at that time, such as Chaos Engineering.

Chaos Engineering, such a great name. You know, it could be a great title for a TV series about

a media company in the midst of a technological transformation. I don't know, just a thought.

As befitting the holiday spirit, Nate's interview with Jason took place as part of a charity event called

Cybersecurity Crisis, which raised $26,000 for action against hunger. Enjoy the interview.

Why did Netflix get into the cloud as early as they did?

Yeah, Netflix was definitely an early mover. I would say around 2008, 2009, and at least the way the story goes you know Netflix started as a as a DVD by

mail company and as it was starting to move into streaming there was a pretty big

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