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Hello and welcome to the History Extra podcast from BBC History Magazine, Britain's best-selling history magazine.

I'm Ellie Cawthorne. What's the state of play in Britain's museums in 2022?

Well, art historian, broadcaster and former British museum director Neil McGregor returns to BBC Radio for this spring, with a new series, The Museums That Makeers.

The series looks at the changing ways in which museums around the UK are telling the stories of their local communities.

Neil spoke to our deputy editor, Matt Elton, about how these institutions can help us make sense of the present and the future.

To start with, I wondered if you could just talk about what the sort of scope and aim of your new

series is. What we wanted to do was look at 20 museums across the whole of the UK,

from the north of Scotland to the south of England, Northern Ireland to East Anglia,

and see how museums are rethinking their purpose in the community,

how they're using objects to engage differently with their visitors to address new kinds of questions. So it's about the civic role of the

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