I'm looking at the C-SPAN swag shop. There's some great stuff here.

Oh, it's amazing. For Valentine's Day a couple of years ago, my kids made me a card that

suggested I was actually in love not with my wife but with C-SPAN. I have C-SPAN mugs I have C-SPAN totes I have C-SPAN everything

There's this a color-blocked war-haul style C-SPAN sweatshirt, it's-d'nips.

Jamele may have found his Christmas gift list.

From New York Times opinion, I'm Carlos Lozada.

I'm Michelle Cottle.

I'm Ross Dauthadt.

And this is matter of opinion. All right, so I don't have to confess, I don't really have a plan

for what we're gonna do in this episode of matter of opinion.

I do have the concept of a plan.

Oh.

But a, bum.

And the concept of a plan, I hear, is just as good as an actual plan.

The first part of that concept is having invited our esteemed colleague and friend of the

moo, Jemel Bowie, to join us today. Welcome back, Jemel. Hello, hello. of the Debate week, part one or part two, I don't know what it is.

The punditocracy consensus, including that of the Almighty New York Times opinion

scorecard, seems to be that Kamala Harris won this debate rather handily.

So I want us to get into how she did that,

but I also hope we can talk about what it actually means

to quote unquote win a debate,

particularly in a country that is so split.

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