Hi, I'm Dr Caroline Leif and welcome to my podcast, Cleaning Up the Mental Messe.

In this podcast, as you well know, we talk a lot about Cleaning Up the Mental Messe.

Well in today's podcast, I have a fascinating conversation with how to clean up the mental

messe using the concept of minimalism with any nominated Netflix stars and New York Times

based setting authors, Joshua Fields, Melbourne and T.K. Coleman, known collectively as the

Minimilists. We talk about how, for example, getting stuck in regret clatters up online because

as T.K. said, regret doesn't have any refunds. We talk about minimalizing spiritual clutter,

people clutter, clatter being contagious, how chaos, aka mental messes are the starting line

at the simplicity marathon and so much more so let's dive in.

Welcome into the studio at Joshua and T.K. I'm really excited to talk about minimalism and what

it means and especially when it comes to mental health because the work you do is fantastic.

So welcome and let's dive into this great conversation.

Well Dr Leif, thank you so much for having us. You know, it's when we're talking about minimalism,

it often starts with the stuff but our material possessions are a physical manifestation of what's

going on inside us and the reason I've been looking forward to having this conversation with you

is because yeah, in our homes we have a lot of excess things. We all know that. In fact,

the average American household has 300,000 items in it, which would be great if it brought us more

joy and contentment and happiness and peace and inner quiet but quite often what's happening,

that's a manifestation of what's going on here. If I've got a lot of excess clutter in my life,

it probably means I have a lot of mental clutter, emotional clutter, spiritual clutter,

psychological clutter, calendar clutter, relationship clutter. There's a lot of clutter that we

need to tackle today. I love it. That's a brilliant way of putting it and it's going to be very

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