Hey folks, welcome to the Dark Horse Podcast. I have the distinct pleasure of sitting this morning with John Cullen,

John Cullen, who came to my attention for his incredibly high quality work unpacking the

fiction and reality surrounding the massacre in Las Vegas. John Cullen picked up his skill set working at Oracle in the 80s.

I will let him tell you a little bit about that background and how it is relevant to the various topics we

want to discuss today but in the meantime John welcome to Darkhorse.

Thank you very much.

It's a pleasure to be here.

All right so tell me a little bit about what you did at Oracle,

as it will be central to looking at the would-be assassination of President Trump.

Sure.

So early in my career, I was at Oracle, I was a young guy in my late 20s, and know we're talking 1988 so at that time Oracle was about

1500 employees about $200 million in revenue.

So we were considered a startup.

And in fact, the company that I left

to go work at Oracle was bigger than Oracle. So for me, going

to Oracle was a risk. I was going to a smaller company. So I went to work at Oracle and one of the projects

I was working on early on was a company in

Redlands, California, called E-S-R-I. And E-S-R-I wanted to do something. They wanted to marry mapping technology with data. And so I went out to Redlands, California, so our offices were in El Segundo, California, right next to Hughes, Hughes Aircraft.

And I drive out to Red Ones to meet with Jack Dangerman and Scott Morehouse.

Scott Morehouse is like their head, you know, technician guy, he

a CEO, and Jack Dangerman's the founder of the company. And they had a team of guys there.

And it probably took the you know the Oracle team

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