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How Many Nukes Does It Take to Win a War? (Trick Question)

Angry Planet

Matthew Gault

War, Politics, Conflict, Government, History, News

4.3882 Ratings

🗓️ 8 August 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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The world is living with a Cold War hangover. The logic of deterrence, which dominates the minds of the people who plan nuclear wars, means that America must have enough nuclear weapons to credibly threaten to destroy the world should someone launch nukes at it. That thinking led to a world with tens of thousands of nuclear weapons, and that was just when the U.S. had the Soviet Union to think about. Now it’s facing the twin threats of Russia and China. Does that mean America needs twice the nukes to handle twice the threats?


Some in the Pentagon seem to think so, and the world is embarking on a radical and expensive nuclear build up the likes of which it hasn’t seen in a generation.

What if there’s another way? James Acton is here to pitch us on a world where Optimal Deterrence does not mean spending trillions of dollars on new world-ending weapons just to make sure everyone else doesn’t use theirs.

Acton is a co-director of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace’s Nuclear Policy Program and the author of a new article that outlines the 21st century nuclear arms race and a new plan to stop it.


  • Podcasting from an iPhone in a closet
  • The apocryphal camera lens story
  • The nuclear tease
  • What are nuclear weapons pointed at?
  • How to win a three-way nuclear war
  • The dread logic of counterforce targeting
  • Trump’s nuclear reticence
  • How many nukes are there anyway?
  • How to spend a trillion dollars on nuclear weapons upgrades
  • Acton’s big idea
  • “I don’t think we lose much by ceasing to target an adversary’s nuclear forces.”
  • “It doesn’t matter if they believe it or not.”


Optimal Deterrence


Russia’s nuclear torpedo


Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

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0:41.8

Have you plugged in that iPhone?

0:44.8

I have like 80% charge.

0:45.9

Okay.

0:46.3

I'm gonna,

0:47.3

we're gonna trust you.

0:47.6

Yeah.

0:53.0

This is the first time you've done it from a phone in like 10 years?

0:53.8

I think it is.

0:54.0

Yeah. I think I did it from a phone in like 10 years? I think it is. Yeah.

1:01.6

I think I did it from a phone once in the Reuters days. Yeah. No, I'm the consummate professional. I've never let myself get into this situation before. You always have the studio.

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