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Couple of big sand country stories. One, we're negotiating with the Pali band and it looks like we might finally be done in Afghanistan and willing to admit that we're not accomplishing anything.

Boy, that's a complex one. We will get to that. That's the Pali band slash al-Qaeda story. Then you've got the Isis story.

Liz Sly is the Bayroot bureau chief covering Lebanon, Syria and the wider region for the Washington Post and is joining us now to discuss from Bayroot.

The situation in serious lash Iraq and in the health or lack thereof of Isis Liz welcome. It's always a pleasure.

Thank you for having me. There are conflicting reports depending on the politics involved as to whether Isis is indeed as thoroughly beaten back as someone has believed.

What are the presidents said? Well that's right. Yeah. What is your perception of Isis at this point?

Well, I think it's been proven before from the Iraq war and from other situations such as Afghanistan that military defeat on the battlefield isn't enough to get rid of the threat of a very extremist group like this.

If you don't rebuild, if you don't stabilize the area, if you don't bring sort of an affair and just a political system into the area, they're going to bounce back because people are going to have grievances and they're going to play on those grievances to win back sport and eventually pose another kind of threat again.

So yes, we're actually very, very close now to the territorial defeat of Isis. There's just a couple of villages left that they hold in the southeast of Syria.

When those villages have taken a notice in the matter of days or weeks now, the territorial you, they will not have any land, hold their state, their caliphate, whatever they used to call it.

But we do see signs that they are bouncing back as an insurgency, creeping back into areas that were liberated sometimes years ago in both Iraq and Syria.

And I think the US military would have preferred to stick around a little bit longer to try and bring some stability to those areas.

Well, that's pretty interesting, but it was a pretty big story there for quite a while when they had a chunk of land. I forget everybody had a different view. It's as big as Texas. It's as big as this. It's as big as that, but they had a giant chunk of land at one point and now they're about to have none.

Yes, that's right. They, I mean, they stopped being a threat as a caliphate quite some time ago. They lost their capital in Iraq over a year ago. They lost their biggest city, which was Mosul.

That's six months before that. I think most people stopped paying attention.

But of course, it's when you take your eye off the ball that conditions deteriorate and people get unhappy and they can start creeping back again.

I think it will be a really long time before they ever consult territory again, but you know, I watched the whole Iraq war, I watched it unravelled, I watched them put it back together a little bit and then they left and then it all came bouncing back again. And I wouldn't rule anything out.

Liz Sly Washington Post, they root bureau chief is on the line. Liz, I wonder, here's an angle of this that I think is really important for assessing if ISIS is going to be much of the threat going forward.

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