So Beth Cameron, you ran the White House office on pandemics for how long?

I ran the White House Office of Global Health Security and Bio-defense from fall of 2016 until March of 2017.

So from the inception of the office, 2016 until March of 2017.

So from the inception of the office into the transition to the Trump administration.

I got to ask, with everything going on right now, like how much sleep are you getting?

Not a lot, but I think I'm not, I think I'm not alone.

And I think, you know, some of the sleep that I'm losing is not just because of the fact that I work on this issue for a living. I'm also, you know,

dealing with, I think, what most Americans are dealing with some, you know, aging parents,

an aging grandfather who just got out of a rehab center and just trying to make sure that we know what's going to be happening.

This is really uncharted territory, I think, maybe even especially for those of us that work on the issue.

Charting uncharted territory like this, it used to be Beth's job.

She's called her office in the White House a kind of smoke alarm for global pandemics,

like the one we're in the middle of right now.

But shortly after Beth resigned, the Trump administration decided,

that office that tracks pandemics, we don't need it.

Part of the reason I wanted to talk to Beth is that last week she wrote an op-ed for the Washington Post, where she didn't mince words.

It read in part the federal government's moving too slowly, due to a lack of leadership.

But when I got Beth on the phone, she had this really practical energy.

It was like she was allergic to finger pointing.

When the president says stuff like this pandemic was unexpected, I just wonder if that bugs you.

Honestly, that doesn't bug me.

It doesn't bug me because this is potentially a once-in-a-100-year event, and no administration

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