This is thinking in public, a program dedicated to intelligent conversation about

front-line theological and cultural issues with the people who are shaping them.

I'm Albert Moller, your host and president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville,

Kentucky.

Patrick Dunene is the David A. Potzaniani, Memorial Associate Professor of Constitutional Studies at the University of Notre Dame.

He holds a Baccalaureate in English, literature, and a PhD in political science from Rutgers University.

He has served as speech writer and special advisor to the director of the United States

Information Agency.

He has taught government and political science at Princeton University and at Georgetown

University.

He did that before joining the faculty of Notre Dame in the fall of 2012.

He has written or edited many books.

His most recent book is the topic of our conversation today.

Why Liberalism failed, published by Yale University Press.

Professor Denine, welcome to Thinking in Public.

Professor Denine in your new book, Why Liberalism failed.

You suggest that there have been three great ideologies, and that will be liberalism and fascism

and communism, but liberalism alone survives and yet you're not presenting that as

unalloyed good news.

No in fact I think the news is rather somewhat grim in the book I argue that an ideology is basically,

as the word suggests, an idea or a theory of politics to which human beings and the human

human life in our political world must ultimately conform and that a kind of deformation occurs in that process.

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