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This is on point. I'm Megna Chakra-Bardi.

Katie Herzog is a journalist and creator and co-host of the podcast blocked and reported,

which calls itself a podcast that, quote, scours the internet for its craziest, silliest, most sociopathic content,

part of an obsessive and ill-conceived attempt to extract kernels of meaning and humanity

from a landscape of endless raging dumpster fires, end

quote. So yeah, it's the perfect vehicle for a sharp, smart, funny woman. But if you ask Katie,

when she thinks she was the most fun, she might say that period of her life spanned some 20 years

when she was drinking.

Fun may be for others, self-destructive for her. In the United States, 30 million adults

suffer from alcohol use disorder or AUD. It's the most common substance use disorder in the

country. And Katie tried everything to quit.

Nothing worked until she read a magazine article about a treatment she had never heard of.

That story is in her new book, Drink Your Way Sober, the Science-based method to break free from alcohol.

And she joins us from On Point Station, Blue Ridge Public Radio in Asheville, North Carolina.

Katie, welcome to On Point.

Thanks for having me.

Let's start from the beginning.

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