Hello, it's been 129 days since the horror which has in Gulf Gaza began, and we've all seen,

what I would regard, transparently, some of the worst atrocities of the 21st century. We don't know how many have been killed, violent deaths.

The official count is around 30,000, but that's believed to be a huge

undressing of it because of the number who've been buried under rubble and never identified as well as obviously deaths from the destruction of the medical system, lack of access to food, water.

And yet the horror is only escalating. lack of access to food, water.

And yet the horror is only escalating.

There is a planned military offensive against Raffer

where the vast majority of the Palestinian population

have been forcibly moved under threat of violence by the Israeli state.

Now, I suppose many of us following this would just think transparently huge numbers of atrocities have been committed,

war crimes and Israelis being investigated. had been

investigated for genocide by the International Criminal Court

because of South Africa's case.

But separate to that, there is the International Criminal Court.

So it's very clear we separate them. The ICJ is the International Criminal Court. It's very clear we separate them.

The I.J is the UN courts, the highest court in the world. The ICC is separate from that.

Now there's been huge amounts of criticism of the International Criminal Court, not least its chief prosecutor, its prosecutor, Karen Khan, he's actually a British lawyer.

Now, there's no better person to speak to about this

than our brilliant guest today,

who's Trieste, the Marilynelow,

who is professor of law at Liverpool John Moore's University and he's crucially a member of the legal team representing the victims of Gaza before the international criminal court.

Hey, how you doing?

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