Hey there and welcome to Rootless. I'm Liel Liebowitz. Now look, there are some books that, you know, you should definitely read if you have the time.

There are some books, however, that you have to stop everything that you're doing and sit down and consume an engagement.

And our guest today has written one of those out just now, Israel and civilization, the fate of the Jewish nation and the destiny

of the West. It comes to us, courtesy of my dear friend, senior editor at large of Newsweek,

syndicated columnist, podcaster, philosopher, king. Josh Hammer, welcome to the show.

Well, Leo, I'm not sure how I can possibly live up to this show after that extraordinarily

generous introduction, but as a longtime fan of yours, it is just deeply sobering and humbling

to hear those words.

And I look forward to chatting about the book and anything else you want to talk about.

Listen, man, you already lived up to the hype because you wrote a truly great book.

This is a book that kind of humbly, I'm going to state the premise in brief and imperfect words

and then you're going to expound on them.

It makes the case that no less a precious thing than the fate of the entire Western world

and civilization depends on the security and well-being of a certain smallish

Jewish state, the state of Israel, and the Jewish people's right to have their own

self-determination and their own ancestral homeland.

Kindly expound on that idea.

Yeah, kindly expound on this tremendous claim you've made, right?

Yeah, in 300 pages or less.

Right.

Well, look, I mean, you could go really biblical, right?

I mean, you could kind of start to explain how, I mean, God does first make this covenant in the book of Genesis with Noah.

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