Hello and welcome to ETIWI podcast, Voices on the World of Work.

I'm your host, Bianca Luna Fabriz, and in this episode, you will be listening to a conversation

on AI and its impact on the world of work.

The conversation is going to be between the ETIR Research Director Nicola Contouris and

Hamid Ekbiyah.

Hamid is professor of Informatics,

cognitive science and international studies at Indiana University.

This podcast is part of our ETI project reconstruction beyond the pandemic

that is coordinated by Nicola Contouris, Karina Rabajeva, Vaoutresbitten and myself.

And should you want to know a bit more

about the project, you can find a few links in the show notes. Hello, Hamid. It's great to welcome

you to our ETII podcast. It's a pleasure also to welcome you here in Brussels. And I wanted

to start from a project that you had in the past and has been accompanying you,

the project of heteromation in which you worked with Boninadi, a groundbreaking monograph five years ago.

I wanted to ask you if you could outline the central idea of heteromation for our audience.

Sure. Thank you very much, Nicola. It's great to be here. It's really an honor,

privilege to be among this, this wonderful colleagues of yours, and I'm learning a lot.

But on the question of heteromation, let me just start by saying the motivation that we had

behind coining a new term, because academics are usually very keen on that.

But our motivation was that we were seeing the emergence of different phenomena that all pointed

in the same direction, namely that human beings were increasingly doing things that machines

were not able to do or not ready to do. And it appeared in different places, you know,

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