How Iran will hasten the end of MAGA
Americano
The Spectator
4.0 • 762 Ratings
🗓️ 19 March 2026
⏱️ 35 minutes
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Summary
The attack on Iran is so wildly inconsistent with the wishes of his own base that it is likely to mark the end of Trumpism as a project. Freddy Gray is joined by Spectator columnist Christopher Caldwell to discuss Trumpism, JD Vance vs Marco Rubio, what's left of the Republican party after Trump, and the competing ambitions of Israel and Iran.
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| 0:00.0 | On Tuesday the 24th of March, our speakers will debate the motion, |
| 0:04.0 | this House believes we should abolish the licence fee. |
| 0:07.2 | Spectator Chairman Charles Moore and the telegraphs Alison Pearson |
| 0:10.2 | will propose the motion with Spectator editor Michael Gove |
| 0:13.4 | and former BBC America editor John Sopel opposing. |
| 0:16.8 | I'm Isabel Hardman and I'll be in the chair to maintain decorum and take your pressing questions. |
| 0:22.2 | Join us on Tuesday the 24th of March at 7pm and book your tickets at spectator.com |
| 0:27.7 | forward slash debate. |
| 0:36.3 | Hello and welcome back to the Americana Show. My name is Freddie Gray. I am the deputy editor of the |
| 0:41.9 | spectator and the US editor. And I'm pleased to tell you that this is the 10th year of the |
| 0:48.3 | Americano podcast. And I think it's fair to say it's been a fairly fascinating time in American politics, life and culture. |
| 0:58.1 | And that's what we talk about every episode on this podcast. |
| 1:02.1 | So please keep listening and provide as much feedback as you like. |
| 1:06.3 | Today I am delighted to be joined by our columnist, Chris Caldwell, Christopher Caldwell, |
| 1:13.1 | who is the author of a number of very, very good books, including The Age of Entitlement, |
| 1:20.4 | which I think all Americana readers should have read by now, and if they haven't, they should order a copy immediately. |
| 1:28.0 | Chris has written the cover piece for the latest edition of the Spectators World Edition, |
| 1:34.2 | and it's called The End of Trumpism. |
| 1:38.6 | It's already generating quite a lot of interest online, and, predictablyably enough a fair amount of criticism. |
| 1:47.9 | Chris, I think we should probably start by saying, what is Trumpism as we understand it? |
| 1:54.4 | Well, as I tried to outline in the piece, I think that, well, Trumpism is a variant of what most commentators |
| 2:08.4 | have called populism. On the other hand, most commentators are a variant of what most populists |
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