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articles and early access to Colette social events. And on this week's menu we

have an especially spicy entree to serve you, veteran feminist activist author and pundit Julie Bindel.

As you'll hear, Julie and I very much see eye to eye on a lot of issues such as the reality of sexual dimorphism that separates men from women

a separation that doesn't vanish when a person adopts new pronouns but as recently as a few

years ago I really wouldn't have imagined Julie and I being ideological allies.

As you'll hear on the show, I began my journalistic career at a conservative media outlet,

Canada's National Post newspaper, where my colleagues and I often took a skeptical view

toward feminists of the Bindelian persuasion.

But in recent years, the progressive campaign to pretend away the reality of biological sex has become so extreme that it has united in opposition a lot of different formerly squabbling political factions including including conservatives, traditional feminists such as Julie, and people

like me who are pretty much just boring centrist liberals who don't like to see the science of

human biology misrepresented in the public sphere so that trans-identified

men can have access to women's sports, private spaces, and lesbian dating apps.

This is a war that Julie has been fighting for two decades since at least 2004 when she wrote a widely read column titled Gender Benders Beware in the Guardian, marking her as years ahead of her time in warning the world about this phenomenon.

Last month, she and I had breakfast here in Toronto while she was visiting from England,

and I enjoyed the conversation so much that I invited her to come to our studios so we could continue the

discussion for the benefit of Quillett podcast listeners. Here's a recording of that

conversation. Julie you're here in Toronto out in the provinces as it were to do research for a book is that right?

That's right it's a book on lesbians and its working title is Lesbians so if anyone can think about a great subtitle for me, I'm listening.

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