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The Brian Lehrer Show

How ICE Agents are Operating

The Brian Lehrer Show

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4.61.5K Ratings

🗓️ 27 January 2026

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

Michelle Hackman, Wall Street Journal reporter covering U.S. immigration policy, talks about the legality of the tactics ICE agents are using in Minneapolis and elsewhere.

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0:00.0

Brian Laird on WNYC.

0:11.8

We'll talk about the Minnesota situation now in a national legal context.

0:17.2

Across the country, of course, federal immigration agents are expanding enforcement in ways that

0:22.0

are raising urgent legal questions, especially after, but also before federal agents killed

0:28.4

Alex Prattie and earlier Renee Macklin Good in Minneapolis, incidents where video evidence

0:34.6

contradicts the Trump administration's accounts.

0:38.1

Here's the breaking news this morning.

0:40.6

This is a New York Times version.

0:42.7

The headline is,

0:44.1

Judge orders ICE Chief to appear in court over potential contempt.

0:50.4

That's ICE's acting director, Todd Lyons.

0:53.1

The Times article says,

0:58.0

In a remarkable display of frustration, the chief federal judge in Minnesota ordered the head of U.S. immigration and customs enforcement ICE to appear in court on Friday

1:03.9

to explain why he should not be held in contempt for violating court orders arising from the Trump

1:10.0

administration's aggressive immigration

1:12.0

crackdown in the state.

1:13.9

It says in a brief ruling issued the judge Patrick J. Schlitz of Federal District Court in Minnesota

1:22.2

said he recognized that ordering ICE's acting director Toddons, to personally defend himself in court was,

1:28.9

quote, an extraordinary step, but Judge Schlitz, who was appointed by President George W. Bush,

1:35.2

said it was necessary because, quote, the extent of ICE's violation of court orders,

1:42.6

violation of court orders, is likewise extraordinary. With that, we welcome

1:48.1

Michelle Hackman, immigration policy reporter at the Wall Street Journal, who's going to unpack this

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